Guest Post: A Modest Proposal

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Submitted by Jim Quinn of The Burning Platform

A Modest Proposal

As we have debated various issues on this site for the last couple years my understanding of our economic system has changed. I’ve come to the conclusion that the middle class of this country has been caught in a pincer movement by two armies. My definition of the Middle Class is households making between $50,000 and $150,000 per year. The Free Shit Army is attacking us on the left. The middle class has been the backbone of the country, doing the heavy lifting in this country. They get up every morning and trudge off to work to support their families. The Free Shit Army sleeps in. They have chosen to not educate themselves in order to advance in our society. Politicians have enabled them to stay in poverty by providing welfare, disability, food stamps, and tax incentives that make their lives just comfortable enough to not work. If you provide money to people who are classified as disabled, you get more disabled. The Free Shit Army has 50% more disabled than the general population. If you pay people for not working, why should they work? The middle class works and pays their taxes. These taxes are then redistributed to the Free Shit Army.

The second pincer movement on the middle class has been conducted by a stealthier army. This army has experts in propaganda, misinformation, and obfuscation. I call them the Ruling Elite Army. The generals are the ultra-wealthy CEOs of Wall Street banks and mega-corporations. Their armor divisions are manned by the corporate mainstream media. They are excellent at laying down a great smoke screen before blasting away. The infantry is manned by 535 Congressional officers with thousands of corporate lobbyist foot soldiers. This army has been given the mission to capture the supplies of the middle class.

The middle class were not prepared for the assaults they have been fending off. They became soft and satisfied. They stopped training. They became distracted by their gadgets, delusions of home wealth, and fear of phantom terrorist enemies behind every bush. The propaganda machine of their true enemies has convinced the middle class that foreign enemies are massing. The enemy is within. The middle class will need to sacrifice and go to war against two enemies. Are they up to the task? I’m not sure.

In my opinion the following platform is the only way to save this middle class country. Liberals and supposed Conservatives will be outraged. No one will be happy with my solutions. So be it.

MY TEA PARTY PLATFORMPolitical System

Term limits of 6 years for Congressmen and Senators. Serving in Congress is not a career. It is a duty to the country. They are not in Congress to bring home the bacon to their district or State. They are in Congress to ensure that future generations have a country that offers opportunity to live a better life than their parents.The entire election process would be scraped. It would be transformed into a 3 month publicly financed election. No money from corporations, unions, or individuals would be allowed. Candidates would have 3 debates on public TV.Lobbyists and PACs would be eliminated from the political process.Every bill before Congress would immediately be put online. The constituents of every Congressmen and Senator would be allowed to voice their opinion by voting yes or no online.Every bill that is proposed by a Congressman MUST have a funding mechanism. If the proposal increases costs to the American taxpayer, something else must be cut to pay for the new proposal.NO American troops could be committed to firing their weapons without a full vote of Congress as required by the US Constitution.Economic Policy

The first thing to be done is to abolish the Federal Reserve. It has been around for less than 100 years. The Treasury has the authority to issue the currency of the country.The currency of the US would be backed by hard assets. A basket of gold, silver, oil, uranium, and some other limited hard commodities would back the USD. If politicians attempted to spend too much, this basket would reveal their plans immediately.The FASB would be directed to make all banks and corporations value their assets at their true market value. This would reveal that the mega Wall Street banks and corporations like GE are insolvent. An orderly bankruptcy of all insolvent financial firms involving the sell-off of their legitimate assets to banks that didn’t screw up and the bondholders and stockholders would be wiped out.The 16th Amendment would be repealed and the income tax would be scraped. It would be replaced with a national consumption tax. The more you consume the more taxes you pay. Saving and investment would be untaxed.A balanced budget amendment would be instituted. It would phase in over 5 years. This would require a massive reduction in spending. A downsizing of the US Military from $900 billion to $500 billion would be initiated through the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, Iraq, Germany, Japan and hundreds of other bases throughout the world.The two most worthless departments in the government (Dept of Energy and Dept of Education) would be eliminated. All corporate subsidies would be eliminated. All Federal employees would have their pay slashed by 10% and the workforce would be reduced by 20% over 5 years. Federal health benefits and pension benefits would be slashed.The Social Security System would be completely overhauled. Anyone 50 or older would get exactly what they were promised. The age for collecting SS would be gradually raised to 72 over the next 15 years. Those between 25 and 50 would be given the option to opt out of SS. They would be given their contributions to invest as they see fit if they opt out. Anyone entering the workforce today would not pay in or receive any benefits. The wage limit for SS would be eliminated and the tax rate would be reduced from 6.2% to 3%.The Medicare system is unsustainable. It would be converted from a government program to private market based program. The rules and regulations would be eliminated. Senior citizens would be given healthcare vouchers which they would be free to use with any insurance company or doctor based on price and quality. Insurance companies would compete for business. Doctors would compete for business. The GAO would have their budget doubled and they would audit Medicare fraud & Medicaid fraud and prosecute the criminals brutally.The healthcare bill would be repealed. Insurance companies would be allowed to compete with each other on a national basis. Tort reform would be implemented so that doctors could do their jobs without worrying about slimy lawyers. Doctors would need to post their costs for various procedures. Price and quality would drive the healthcare market.The entitlement state would be dismantled. The criteria for collecting welfare, food stamps and unemployment benefits would be made much stricter. Unemployed people collecting government payments would be required to clean up parks, volunteer at community charity organizations, pick up trash along highways, fix and paint houses in their neighborhoods and generally keep busy in a productive manner for society. A free market method for stabilizing the housing market would be for banks to voluntarily reduce the mortgage balances of underwater homeowners in exchange for a PAR (Property Appreciation Right).  The homeowner would agree to pay off the PAR to the Treasury (and administered through the IRS) out of future price appreciation on the existing home or subsequent property. The homeowner would be excluded from taking on any home equity loans or executing any “cash out” refinancings until the PAR was satisfied. The maximum PAR obligation accepted by the Treasury would be based on the value of the home and the income of the homeowner.  Education Policy

With the elimination of the Dept of Education, the education of children would go back to localities. Every child in America would receive vouchers for grade school, high school and college. They could choose any school to attend – public or private. If the private school cost more than the voucher, the family would pay the difference. Excellent schools would flourish, poor schools would be forced to improve or they would close.Teacher tenure would be eliminated. Teachers unions could exist, but schools will only receive the amount of the student vouchers as funding. This would essentially force public schools to run their operations based on excellence in teaching.Energy Policy

Without the Dept of Energy to block the free market, companies should be guaranteed a fast track approval process to build nuclear power plants ASAP. The approval process for refineries and LNG facilities should also be fast tracked.The Pickens Plan to convert our truck fleets to natural gas should be given priority. The government can actually do something to help the market. An upgrade and expansion of the electrical grid could connect to windmill farms built across the plains.Increased drilling off the coasts and in Alaska would be allowed with proper procedures in place.A national project to create high speed electric rail lines between major cities and light electric rail connecting the suburbs to the major cities would be undertaken based upon ROI. Only lines that could reasonably make profits would be built.National Defense/Foreign Policy

Elimination of foreign aid to other countries would be implemented immediately.Withdrawal of US forces from the Middle East and other countries would take place over 3 years. Amazingly, after we leave the Middle East, terrorism will miraculously decline.Conduct free trade with all countries. Make treaties with no countries. Do not bully or threaten any country.The US military would be used to efend our country. Any commitment of forces to battle would require a full vote by Congress as the Constitution states.The torture of anyone would be outlawed.Immigration

If we want to keep illegal aliens from entering the country, then we need to build a fence/wall and use technology to truly seal our southern borders. Illegal aliens are illegal. Their children are not legal. If you break the law, you are punished.We should encourage the immigration of smart people to this country. Legal immigrants built this country. We should encourage the foreign students who graduate from our best colleges to stay in the country and work for American companies.To help stabilize our housing market, all foreigners who would buy a US property in cash would be guaranteed a fast track to citizenship as long as they break no laws. Social Issues

Let people do anything they want. Gays could marry. People could practice whatever religion they want.The Dept of Homeland Security would be reduced dramatically.Wire tapping, monitoring, and spying on US citizens would be outlawed.Personal liberties would be restored. Individual rights would take precedence over corporate and government rights.Only modest restrictions on gun ownership would be allowed (criminal checks). An armed citizenry is the best defense against tyranny.

The mainstream media would classify me as an extremist with the views I’ve detailed above. I find that laughable. The current administration is running annual $1.6 trillion deficits, the Federal Reserve has 0% interest rates and is about to monetize another $1 trillion of debt after already monetizing $2 trillion of debt, Wall Street has been handed $2 trillion of taxpayer money, our National Debt is up from $5.7 trillion in 2000 to $13.5 trillion in 2010, and peak cheap oil is on the verge of shocking our system AND MY PROPOSALS WOULD BE CONSIDERED EXTREMIST.

This country is on the precipice of collapse. I truly believe that. Republicans winning seats in November will bring about gridlock in Washington DC. That is better than the alternative, but it will do nothing to save the country. Dramatic measures are required to avert financial collapse. I do not see anyone honestly telling the American people the truth. Our future as a country is at stake. Do enough people care? I fear not.

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by Bob
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 20:39
#639983

Great idea.  Can you give me a week or two to work on this?

Login or register to post comments by GoldSilverDoc
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:09
#640165

You need a month.  You will also need:

A large supply of ammunition and weapons.

A place to hide, from whence your attacks must be launched.

A safe storage place for you and your army’s food stores.

All the other strategic and tactical equipment with which to fight a war.

The guts to use them. 

 

Login or register to post comments by Ahmeexnal
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:56
#640230

*cough* *cough* -David Koresh- *cough* *cough*

Login or register to post comments by Fish Gone Bad
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:02
#640241

You left off that no bill can be longer than 10 pages.  Bills that go on for 100’s of pages are deliberately written to make them unreadable.  How large was the homeland security authorization (that had to be passed now, RIGHT NOW), and how large was the healthcare bill (that had to be passed now, RIGHT NOW).

The more shit our leaders try to hide, the larger the bill.

Login or register to post comments by shortus cynicus
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 04:10
#640450

First: if you don’t know the low, and brake low, you are guilty any way. So you should know the low.

Second: having a chance to know the low, is some basic social human right.

Now, how it corresponds to complexity of the bills served by ruling elite? For my understanding, such a bills are simply illegal. Its not even financial crime, it’s “low crime” !

I wouldn’t be surprised, if next revolution simply cancels any bill that can not be understood by average (!) person by reading 1 hour long.

Login or register to post comments by Chappaquiddick
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 01:48
#640399

Amen to that!

Login or register to post comments by anynonmous
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 20:41
#639987

OT – does anyone here know how to get the world series on an iPhone

Login or register to post comments by Freebird
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 20:59
#640017

Jam your icrap up your posterior. This is a pretty damned good effort. If I were an americano the author would get my vote.

Login or register to post comments by Implicit simplicit
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:32
#640092

Ahh ,I think that would be the Maxi-pad or the I-pad not the I-phone.

Login or register to post comments by Cdad
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 00:28
#640336

Exactly!  Tell me…when do you suppose these Apple zombies actually begin feeding on human flesh?

 

And how many rounds would a guy need to keep the skin on his bones?

 

One day, this is all going to end…badly. 

 

Cdad

 

Login or register to post comments by HarryWanger
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:23
#640068

By the number of junks you received, I guess the ZH crowd didn’t get the joke. I thought it was pretty funny.

Login or register to post comments by seabiscuit
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 20:44
#639992

As you are a fucking extremist, and thus a threat to the status quo, you have my vote.

Login or register to post comments by masterinchancery
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 20:58
#640014

great stuff, only a few dozen bugs-you have my support!

Login or register to post comments by Implicit simplicit
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:27
#640079

You got my vote. Anything that would basically tear it all down and start over is fine with me.

The first thing that i thought of after reading this is that:

I find many people that I know saying they wouldn’t vote for someone like Paul even though they like his ideas because they want to vote for someone that has more of a chance to get in.

It drives me crazy, but its a short drive.

Login or register to post comments by Bananamerican
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 00:19
#640320

“Saving and investment would be untaxed.”

this one made ME smile…It’s the american version of “…and 30 virgins”

By the way, I’d vote for this guy too…Such a choice would only be forthcoming AFTER a collapse of course…

 

Login or register to post comments by aerojet
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 20:47
#639996

Completely and utterly unworkable.  You are wasting your time even posting such bullshit.  You are in denial about how power is ultimiately relinquished.  There is only one way and you know it.  So stop bullshitting yourself that even 1/10th of this platform could ever (or should ever) be enacted.

 

” Those between 25 and 50 would be given the option to opt out of SS.”

Who the fuck do you think is paying the current beneficiaries?

Login or register to post comments by Conrad Murray
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 20:54
#640008

Larry R. Felix

Login or register to post comments by bigkahuna
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:19
#640057

aero – too bad for you. A guy posts some good ideas and you come out and take a crap in his general direction?  

Login or register to post comments by caconhma
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:38
#640105

aerojet,

You are right: the majority are stupid and greedy bums. The things they are looking for are to 

get something for nothingsteal and cheat somewhere and, most important, talk about things

Masses are electing their leaders who promise most for nothing

You are right that real changes require lots of hard work and sacrifices, as well as lots of bloodshed and suffering. Well, this is life!

Obama is a good example: he promised changes and delivered none but it was bloodless. This is exactly what his handlers were looking for.

Login or register to post comments by RichardP
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:21
#640269

Most real changes in the world have ocurred because a group of people picked up and went somewhere else and started over.  That worked when there was unexplored land to escape to.  What significant changes have ocurred in history by totally revamping the status quo of a society that stayed in place?

Login or register to post comments by vanderrook
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:39
#640112

“Completely and utterly unworkable…1/10th of this platform could ever (or should ever) be enacted.”

So the current status quo is preferable?

 

I would only add that parents would be responsible for educating their own children- nobody else.

Login or register to post comments by Rebel
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 20:49
#639997

You forgot to eliminate the National Endowment for the Arts, NPR, the NSF, privatize the post office, eliminate farm subsidies, subsidies for AMTRAK, and all other subsidies for that matter. It is a good start indeed, but only a start.

 

Login or register to post comments by tpberg7
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 20:59
#640016

Anarchy Bitchez!

Login or register to post comments by masterinchancery
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:02
#640026

yes, some of the bugs.  On 2d thought, lets just return to the government of 1836 as the starting point, then add anything that is clearly useful. That way, we can eliminate the 30,000 useless bureaucracies without effort.

Login or register to post comments by Bringin It
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 01:07
#640369

Good idea.  Back to the future – 1836!  No national bank for starters.  Maybe you could lead the Tea Party?  Seriously, someone besides the MSM imposed plants has to or it’s just more charade for the masses.

It’s a non-violent plan.  It should be tried.

Login or register to post comments by DosZap
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:20
#640059

And one of my least favorites…………

THE UNITED NATIONS!!!!!!!!OUT of NYC, and we opt out, stop giving them a dime.

Login or register to post comments by barkingbill
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:24
#640070

whats wrong with amtrak?

Login or register to post comments by Chappaquiddick
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 02:05
#640412

Its those saggy, fat assed middle classes that’s the problem.  We don’t need those whining fuckers, all they seem to do is complain about their lot and the other social strata within society.

The problem here clearly is really about sleep isn’t it?  You see the middle classes have just enough money to get by.  If they didn’t then they’d be poor, without work and get a lie in.  And if they were rich and had too much money then they could afford to have a lie in.  Being middle class you have to work to let you enjoy your Winnebago’s and your golf club memberships and to enable you to afford to run your middle of the range cars, live in Averageville and squirt out your average 2.4 kids. Consequently, for the middle class there’s no time for sleep and as for having a lie in – forget it!  So that’s what really behind all this middle classes grouchiness – lack of sleep.

As for cutting the military??????  What we need is more military not less – what the fuck are you on Tyler?  When the revolution comes we’re going to need those guy’s to make sure all the poor and the middle class obey the New Order.  It’ll just be anarchy otherwise!

Login or register to post comments by wisefool
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 02:28
#640424

This is very astute. All of human productivity has only one clear goal: Leisure time. And Sleep is one of the most awesome things in the world. I believe it will be the post-post modern substitute and replace for the old mantra of (para) “Education should be free as water and air, available night or day” Peter Cooper.

Meaning truly free and secure people sleep as much, or as little as they want, when ever they want, for what ever reason.

Login or register to post comments by LeBalance
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 20:50
#640001

This owned corporation has been queaked to maximize the labor and purpose targetted products that it delivers to its masters.  These include products, intellectual output, and other esoteric products [human flesh, emotional products, etc].

Its structure can not be altered without knowledge of what it is and who owns it.

It can not be changed by “sending representatives” to DC.  That is failure.

What is success?  Obtaining enough understanding to know what the following things really are:

(1) Constitution, (2) Freedom (complete service and responsibility to others) (3) Who you are and where you are? Who is undefinable, so give up the definitions.  Where is undefinable so give up being a who myth in a body myth.

Give up those limitations: race, sex, job, country, religion, backstory, place, time, etc.

Use it as it fulfills you.  Become flexible in your “face” to society.  Use it when it fits and walk away when it does not.

Global Corporatocracy: that is the target for info gathering.  Who are they?  What are their myths of purpose and being?  Know them.

I am on this journey as well.  I don’t know everything. It wouldn’t be fun if I did.

Peace/War/Love/Hate = Same thing.

Login or register to post comments by Cathartes Aura
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 01:31
#640386

your whole post rocks LeBalance, but this is core:

Its structure can not be altered without knowledge of what it is and who owns it.

It can not be changed by “sending representatives” to DC.  That is failure.

y’know, the original post has nice ideas, but at this stage, is pointless.

there are way to many “versions” of people’s “realities” running hot right now, and trying to fix things won’t fly – it’s naive to think anyone has a say, and not many are willing to co-operate. . .

there are some home truths that will be perceived incrementally, and the wake up will be brutal for some. . .

IF I had a say, I’d let the structure crumble, and let communities / states evolve naturally based on people’s choices and affinities – this “central command” top heavy meme is oppressive, every time. 

not everyone is looking for leaders, or to be led.

 

Login or register to post comments by LeBalance
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 01:43
#640394

Nicely placed IF.

One can aspire to know the structure.  That is a start.

There are those on ZH who know a good deal about the structure and its appendages.  It certainly has manifestations we see every day.

As long as it is needed by those who partake it will be hard to have it leave. So if the planet space nears a time of vibrational experience change or if our need is truly to be reflected in a change in the space then it will be.

Otherwise we need what is to be and should gladly accept it bounty though it taste like ashes in the moment.

Login or register to post comments by Chappaquiddick
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 03:39
#640442

What Thetan level are you operating at then?

Login or register to post comments by Miles Kendig
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 03:30
#640440

The more power is concentrated at the macro level the more the micro imperatives will assert themselves.

Login or register to post comments by SpeakerFTD
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 20:57
#640002

I agree virtually 100%, but then isn’t this pretty much Ron Paul’s platform from 2008?

Login or register to post comments by Argos
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 20:51
#640003

Yeah, and if I were king!

Login or register to post comments by CatherineAustin
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 20:51
#640005

Tyler:

I sent you an invitation late last week to be on the Solari Report on November 4th at 9:20pm ET for 35 minutes. Since it is no doubt buried in your many e-mails or in your spam filter, I thought I would post here. 

Our subscribers would love to hear more from you – 

Catherine Austin Fitts

731.609.2412

catherine@solari.com

 

 

Login or register to post comments by 10044
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:07
#640038

Ms. Fitts, what a pleasure to have you here…Welcome

 

Login or register to post comments by merehuman
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:16
#640174

+100000 to my favorite misfit. Cheers lady, you make my day

Login or register to post comments by Red Neck Repugnicant
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:26
#640176

Ms. Fitts

It is such a wonderful privilege to see you on this forum.  As you well know, one of the central objectives at ZeroHedge is to expose the corruption and manipulation that exists between Washington and Wall Street.

Since you worked on Wall Street and then went to work for George Bush as a commissioner at HUD (one of the regulators of Freddie and Fannie), I would be interested in knowing what sort of warnings you issued regarding the collapse of Freddie/Fannie that occurred shortly after you left.  What sort of changes did you implement to steer Freddie/Fannie from needing trillions in tax-payer money?

All to often, it seems that a highly paid executive on Wall Street receives some sort of do-nothing inside job in Washington and then leaves the department worse than when they arrived.  

I’m wondering what your thoughts are on this matter, and whether or not you could have done anything different while working for Bush and watching Freddie/Fannie completely implode after you left.  Did you take your job seriously, or was it just another check mark on your resume?  

Warmest regards…

Login or register to post comments by Lux Fiat
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:57
#640232

Not so nice attempt at redirection.  Go for the ad hominem attack instead of addressing the ideas/platform raised by Quinn.  Trying to discredit the ideas by discrediting or putting into question those associated with them or supporting them.

Both parties have largely avoided meaningful debate on topics at the core of what truly ails our country, often through such tactics.  I see the tradition didn’t stop at your door.

Login or register to post comments by i-dog
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 00:42
#640340

Read her writings on these topics, THEN ask relevant questions … you repulsive cockhead!

PS. I didn’t junk you … you’re not worth it … instead, I’m waiting for a DDT button.

Login or register to post comments by Chappaquiddick
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 03:47
#640446

RNR – nicely put, perhaps we should invite her for tea?

Login or register to post comments by DaveyJones
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:19
#640180

I’ll second that

Login or register to post comments by A_MacLaren
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:25
#640276

Tyler – Do it. 

Catherine, thanks for letting us all know you’re here and welcome to the comments free-for-all fight club.

Login or register to post comments by Rhea
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 00:00
#640312

What a peelling can do for you … waw

 S.O.S

Login or register to post comments by Shameful
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 20:58
#640007

How can you stand against a numerically superior and tactically superior force when you fight on a battle field of your opponents choosing and your own troops are not only ill equipped and ill trained but morale is so low as to break at the first sign of struggle?  Quite simply, not even Hannibal could pull off such a victory.  The smart money is on running before the slaughter.

The reforms listed above are simply not going ot happen.  We could argue about their merit or find our fault with them but it’s just not going to happen.  Look around you, do you see a mass of people that is willing to fight and sacrifice?  To do without and cut themselves out of the ponzi game?  I daresay not only is the majority not willing to do so, but the majority would actively fight these measures.  Far to many are dependant on the government dole and they will not fight against it so long as “they get theirs”.  Reform is only possible after a collapse, how else could one fight the systemic corruption and the masses of voters getting freebies?  The masses must be forced off the welfare/warfare state, and this will only happen after we have been bled completely dry and lord willing the oligarchs go to a new hunting ground.

“It’s only after we have lost everything that we are free to do anything”

Login or register to post comments by tpberg7
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:02
#640028

“It’s only after we have lost everything that we are free to do anything”.  Amen!

Login or register to post comments by New_Meat
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:16
#640266

which “we” u b talking ’bout? – Ned

Login or register to post comments by Freebird
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:08
#640039

So you guys and gals have a choice. If you decide to run guessing you may have left it late in the day…

Login or register to post comments by Shameful
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:27
#640078

Actually there is another choice it’s just not talked about much, nullification and succession.  If the states decide they have had enough they can give nullification a try, when the Fed courts shoot it down, just leave the union.  The legality of leaving was never decided by anything other then the barrel of a gun.  Let the states break away and form whatever union(s) they wish.  Leave Mordor on the Potmac the Dollar and the debt. 

That is the only real hope America has.  Nothing can be solved on the Federal level, that’s oligarch territory.  Would be better for the world too, don’t think CA would try to have  world spanning military empire.

Login or register to post comments by DaveyJones
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:26
#640185

california already has a world spanning empire but it shoots a whole nother thing. It would be interesting if someone started to make that noise. I don’t think the feds would allow it and we’d have a whole new class of terrorists

Login or register to post comments by Shameful
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:39
#640208

Hollywood kills less then the military.  And unlike the military they can be defunded with out pal the Internet 🙂

Oh I have no doubt that people who favor nullification/succession will be labeled as terrorists.  What we face is a future choice, we really don’t have on now, save for preparing and warning.  After the dollar dies or the debts become so large that even the most dim witted foreigner will not lend us money is when the choice is made.  Either we break up the union or we go gently into a total fascist police state.  If the USSR could peacefully dissolve after their insolvency I’m hopeful the US can do the same.  Otherwise we face the horrors being brewed up for us by the military/industrial complex.  What we have going for us is it’s likely the states will not want to march into total oblivion (especially when Fed money dries up), and soldiers are not as likely to fire on their fellow citizens if they are not getting paid.

Login or register to post comments by Cathartes Aura
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 01:45
#640391

the most rational alternative, well argued, in both your posts Shameful.

let the states succeed, and let the people choose the state they will pay their taxes in, based on their principles. . .

Either we break up the union or we go gently into a total fascist police state.

I don’t believe “we” have a choice, but I’d back yours.

Login or register to post comments by Misstrial
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 00:04
#640316

I guess you haven’t heard of Arizona where armed citizens outnumber all law enforcement and National Guard/military units by a ratio of 20:1.

~Misstrial

Login or register to post comments by i-dog
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 02:29
#640358

Outstanding attempt, Shameful, in this and your other replies in the thread.

Sadly, as Jim’s interesting list and the responses to your posts demonstrate, everyone still wants to get in on the central planning “I know which new/additional/replacement regulations will fix it” act. (eg. Even your own suggestions on limiting incumbent enrichment is just a finger in the dyke).

Statism is dead!

Login or register to post comments by Bringin It
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 01:30
#640387

Shameful – consider your not-gonna-happen assessment and Reform is only possible after a collapse.  I agree with both of these points, but I still greatly appreciate the author Jim Quinn’s efforts.  A friend a greatly admire told me that those aware enough to see the collapse coming should envision what the least worst post collapse world should look like and work towards influencing us into that outcome.

That’s how I see the author’s efforts, whether that’s his conscious intent or not. 

Login or register to post comments by Testicular Cancer
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:00
#640020

Option 2. Buy lots of gold & silver, buy a big boat. Go to a tax friendly country. If that is not an option, then I guess we could give your ideas a try.

Login or register to post comments by Rusty Shorts
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:22
#640062

 aye matey, release the kracken.

Login or register to post comments by DoChenRollingBearing
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 01:46
#640397

Shameful, TC, Rusty,

The Bearing continues to be baffled as to what happens (likely real bad, real soon).  Equally baffling is whether to stay and fight (with my AK and my Beretta and my resources) or just scram out of the USA while able.

While the Bearing ponders all of this and Quinn’s article while here on a boat in French Polynesia (it IS our 25th Anniversary after all), I keep feeling like I should be drawn to the bow of our ship to howl into the night winds:

L’or putains!  L’or!

Login or register to post comments by theworldisnotenough
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:00
#640021
Term limits of 6 years for Congressmen and Senators. Serving in Congress is not a career. It is a duty to the country. They are not in Congress to bring home the bacon to their district or State. They are in Congress to ensure that future generations have a country that offers opportunity to live a better life than their parents.

 

Warning! Term limits are not a panacea. The county commisioners in San Diego have actually done a good job managing the finances of the county. They started laying off early and shrinking the size of government in response to declining revenue from property taxes. Liberals have put a term limit law on the ballot to get rid of them. Having an informed populace is more important than term limits. A bigger difference can be made politically by joining your local PTA and even running for your local school board and making sure every high school graduate has had four years of economics and has read Free To Choose, the Communist Manifesto, Road To Serfdom, and Wealth Of Nations. I’ll go a step further and suggest four years of government in which they read The Federalist Papers, Common Sense, Mein Kampf, The Constitution, and understand in detail the inner workings of governments around the world. Not just liberal goo that is currently filling their ears.

Login or register to post comments by Shameful
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:10
#640042

The problem is the aggregation of power and wealth, people using the office for self aggrandizement.  So I think the solution is clear, make them real public servants.  That after leaving office that all wealth is seized from the elected official and their family (generated before and during their term).  They can live on their retirement stipend, not more going into congress “middle-class” and leaving a multi millionaire.  If it’s found they took money (or gifts) from anyone say for lobbying work they are promptly publicly executed.  Of course this is about as likely as the reforms listed above. 

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on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:18
#640054

And how would this be decided? I am all for an amendment to the constitution that would require a congressman to put their business and personal affairs in a conservatorship. That would require a constitutional amendment.

 

Most meaningful reform would require a constitutional convention.

Login or register to post comments by Shameful
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:30
#640086

It can’t be.  As you point out any meaningful reform would take a constitutional convention.  However that would be the worst possible thing.  Can you imagine this bunch hamming out a new constitution?  I would be stunned if it came in at less then 100k pages!  We can’t have reform in the system the way it’s built.  The system must break.  Breaking it on our terms would be far better though, with a nullification/succession movement.  We keep playing their game by their rules and we all know who the winner will be.

Login or register to post comments by Bolweevil
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:14
#640262

Secession. (Grammar police)

Login or register to post comments by New_Meat
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:24
#640272

ConCon in their wildest wet dreams.

– Ned

Login or register to post comments by zhandax
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 03:45
#640445

Agreed, Shameful, that if they called a CC it would be the worst possible thing.  However, there is a never-used provision in the constitution for the States to ammend it.  I would make a small wager that there are enough of us spread across 2/3 of the states to start the process of generating state ammendment proposals consisting of the provisions outlined above if any of the legal types here can furnish a description of exactly what type of petitions are required to get this moving on a state by state basis.  Of course, when this gains traction, expect the feds to eliminate the whiskey tax.

Login or register to post comments by A Nanny Moose
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:24
#640069

+1

Login or register to post comments by QQQBall
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:44
#640119

Nah, term limits is a good idea.

 

SanDayglo, the City that built a new baseball stadium after the team rented players for a year and made it to the World Series. The City has 100-year old infrastructure and the idiot voters passed a stadium initiative. San Dayglo, the city of busted water mains, sewer lines and sink holes. Great weather though.

Login or register to post comments by Real Estate Geek
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:02
#640024

Shouldn’t DavidC be here frothing at the mouth?

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on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:05
#640036

If any of this sounds good to you I’d get involved in policitcs locally no matter your political affiliation.

Login or register to post comments by TooBearish
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:06
#640037

Hey Tyler did u wave at the Fonz as you jumped the shark?  WTF is this crap? – so not ZH material….

Login or register to post comments by New_Meat
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:26
#640278

I’m viewing this as oppo research, yin vs. yang; spy vs. spy–if you understand …

– Ned

Login or register to post comments by Lndmvr
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:09
#640041

Until the property tax and income tax is abolished, theres no hope.

Login or register to post comments by tmosley
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:12
#640043

I think we should eat welfare babies.

It would be about as likely as getting that kind of thing passed.  

My county Republican party put a bunch of stuff like that into the Republican Party Platform.  The state party didn’t adopt a damn part of it, and even if they did, the politicians ignore it.

The only way you are going to get that thing passed is at a ConCon.  A simpler set of measures might be to simply mandate that total Federal spending is not to exceed 2% of GDP as reported by PRIVATE research groups, or to start at 40% (what we have today), and subtract 2% per year until we hit 2%.

Login or register to post comments by bronzie
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:28
#640192

“I think we should eat welfare babies”

Well it sure makes a hell of a fondue!

G. Carlin

Fussy Eater by GC

Login or register to post comments by Spastica Rex
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:13
#640044

Not exactly my personal vision of utopia, but good on ya.

But you know what? Utopias don’t exist, especially at the scales involved, your utopia included. Things should become much, much smaller. 

Login or register to post comments by i-dog
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 01:06
#640368

++1.

Imagine trying to get 300 million people (or even 3 Tea Party candidates!) to agree on ANY of those very good points, let alone ALL of them!

Login or register to post comments by Rodent Freikorps
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:14
#640049

I like it.

I’d like it better if you had public executions for corrupt politicos, but it’s a good start.

Login or register to post comments by shushup
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:18
#640056

Amen Tyler – Great Job!

Login or register to post comments by colorfulbliss
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:31
#640089

So I’m guessing that you understood the author’s words, but somehow the very first two words of the headline were over your head?

Login or register to post comments by blunderdog
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:20
#640060

About 15% good ideas and 85% the sort of raving lunacy that’s backed virtually every violent revolution of the past hundred years.

Public funding for elections is a great idea.

Consumption based taxation raises effective rate on everyone but the highest earners.  Is that really beneficial at this stage of the game?

Cut off support for most of the poor, but promise to pay retirement to everyone over 50…that’s interesting.  (How old is the author?)

What’s the point in spending big bucks on keeping out the illegals when they can’t receive any benefits and would be paying taxes through consumption, anyway?

Why “replace” Medicare with anything when you could just as easily put an end to health insurance, which serves no productive purpose to anyone but the owner? 

I like this fantasy a lot: end corporate subsidies and NUKE PLANTS are going to spring up like toadstools.  Perhaps…just as soon as electricity is $7/kwh.  Although given the rest of the agenda, that might only take a year or two.

Batshit, yo.  Just batshit.

Login or register to post comments by A Nanny Moose
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:52
#640139

/Sigh. ALL taxes are regressive!!!

Login or register to post comments by blunderdog
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:14
#640172

Hey, Nanny.

I don’t have a problem with the concept of elimination of ALL taxes.  I personally don’t care very much what tax-structure is put in place because if it has something to do with money, it’s not going to have much impact on my life.  I got none.

But I present a question, and this is sincere and I’d be interested to hear what you think:

If ANYONE is going to administer an infrastructure which claims to protect your ownership of personal property, do you think they’d ever do it for FREE?

As I see it, one of the most important functions of government is help protect people from thievery–and I think that’s most often a neighborly threat.  That guy next door might very well steal something from you if there isn’t any kind of effective deterrent, right?  If a group of people want to prevent that, and some specific subgroup is going to take active steps to prevention and/or restitution after a property crime occurs, do you think they wouldn’t (rightfully) require some kind of compensation for that work?

To be clear: this has nothing to do with the structures we currently have in place, where yes, obviously things are terribly corrupt and administered horribly by people I’m guessing neither of us would sit down to dinner with. 

There is a real heart to the dilemma.

I know one very strong logical argument which is very difficult to refute if you want to oppose any/all forms of taxation.  You simply state that you are the only individual with either responsibility OR POWER to assert your ownership of something.  That means you can only meaningfully “own” very modest resources.  If you can’t watch it 24/7, carry it on your back, and kill all potential marauders, you don’t own it.

It seems to me that that’s really pushing it a bit.  But hey, it’s just another trade-off.  No taxation.

Login or register to post comments by A Nanny Moose
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 00:20
#640328

Blunder,

I certainly would am not advocate, nor expect 0 taxation. My comment doesn’t even indicate such a notion.

My point is…who pays all the taxes? Individuals. More precisely, poor and middle class. They are not likely to jetset off to some tax haven, vote themselves a pay raise, offshore companies. We can tax the corps, and the rich all we want, but they don’t pay…they collect.

Now the common argument against a consumption tax, which you seem to be proffering, is that it is regressive. A completely valid, yet largely emply argument since all taxation is regressive. After all could we not modify the consumption tax to exclude staple items such a food? Wouldn’t those of humble mean be largely better off with a system that encourages them, and everybody around them to save, rather than spend to the point of taking on unsustainable debt (with interest)? At the very least a consumption tax gives everybody, including the poor and middle class, a choice, and a more direct voice in governance by withholding their dollars as best possible

In the end, this is a stab at a plan. Is it perfect? No. But it is better than anything we are seeing out of DC, and we need to do something to resolve our present scalability of centralized governance issues.

Login or register to post comments by i-dog
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 01:15
#640375

“In the end, this is a stab at a plan. Is it perfect? No. But it is better than anything we are seeing”

THAT has been the election platform (express or implied) of every party and independent candidate in every election since the very first one 230 years ago!!!!!!

That’s how the oligarchs control you … with the “hope” of incremental improvement through the ballot box (ie. the suggestion box for slaves).

Login or register to post comments by Cathartes Aura
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 01:57
#640403

indeed.

as it stands now, voting cycles just maintain the status quo, and delay meaningful change – it’s a big pacifier for the populace to suck on, waiting years for their next turn at fake “change.”

Login or register to post comments by bronzie
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:36
#640204

” keeping out the illegals when they can’t receive any benefits “

we’re the only country on the planet that allows anchor babies – any woman spits out a brat inside the US boundaries has just created an American regardless of which country she snuck in from

Login or register to post comments by A_MacLaren
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:46
#640299

but promise to pay retirement to everyone over 50

Retirement?  Soc Sec is hardly a luxurious living, more like a sorry subsistence for seniors.

Login or register to post comments by MachoMan
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:21
#640063

Tort reform is…  an antiquated debate to say the least…  virtually every state has implemented tort reform ages ago. 

My firm has represented quite a few doctors in malpractice actions (all successfully because it’s a ridiculously difficult standard)…  you want to know why doctors get sued for malpractice?  Because they fuck up.  If they really do botch a surgery, they never get sued for malpractice because their insurance carrier just pays the victim…  if they don’t botch a surgery, then they get sued for malpractice…  and this, in general, is because they are not remotely personable to their clients…  do not explain everything to them and do not communicate with them pre and post work… 

Most people don’t understand the dual role of attorneys…  yes, there are plenty of scumballs out there who file shit without a prayer of success in the hopes of hitting an unwitting insurance carrier with its pants down…  but, who do you think helps ensure doctors actually perform their work correctly? 

Tort reform has already swept the nation…  you’re probably at least a decade late to the party.  Doctors complain about insurance, but it’s high for everyone…

When you see doctors driving pintos and selling oranges on the side/becoming real estate agents for extra money, then come to me about worrisome insurance premiums or the necessity of reform.  If you want to reform the health care field, you have but one option, look doctors and pharmaceutical companies straight in the face and tell them they will not make as much money.  period.  end of story.  Let me know how this turns out.

Login or register to post comments by Bolweevil
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:21
#640271

Home run Randy.

Login or register to post comments by Misstrial
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 00:09
#640318

“….yes, there are plenty of scumballs out there who file shit without a prayer of success in the hopes of hitting an unwitting insurance carrier with its pants down… “

^^Reason why we need tort reform.

Unfortunately nearly all med-mal plaintiff’s attorneys are shake-down artists.

~Misstrial

Login or register to post comments by Careless Whisper
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:21
#640064

We should encourage the immigration of smart people to this country.

brains are overrated. we already have too many m.i.t. crazies running wall street.

everything else is aaa-okay with me.

 

Login or register to post comments by trillion_dollar…
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:21
#640066

Something tells me Mr. Krugman wouldn’t like this proposal…

Login or register to post comments by liberal sodomy
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:40
#640114

not many from his nation wrecking tribe would.

Login or register to post comments by melachiro
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:22
#640067

As a member of the military, small business owner and conservative libertarian I fully support your post!

My only concern is that if you really believe that the old arabian moon god worshippers don’t really wan’t to take over the world then you are ignorant to say the least.

I agree we should get out of the mideast as it is a lost cause trying to erect supposed democracy on tribalists however, if you think the mooooslums will leave us alone after that you are in for an enlightenment.

BTW, first post, no longer a lurker and love the knowledge I have gained from this great realist site!

 

Login or register to post comments by tmosley
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:48
#640128

If Muslims are some sort of hivemind that wants to take over the world, then why didn’t they start before we got involved in the Mideast?  The Arab expansion burned itself out 800 years ago.  It’s not about to start up again for no reason.  

Further, in order to prove the superiority of your model, you must ADHERE TO IT.  Capitalism only works when you employ it, not when you slap it’s name on your forehead even as you behave like a depraved Maoist, as we have since 1913.  The Muslim model is prone to failure because it imposes too many restrictions on their people.  If they get to the point where they are capable of “taking over the world” it will be because they stopped demanding homage to their “Moon God” and started respecting natural rights.  There is no other way to gain real, lasting power.

I might also note that they worship the God of Abraham, and if you just called him a “Moon God”, then you are a blasphemer against both the Christian and Jewish God.  I don’t beleive in any of them, but I just wanted to point out that you are a hypocrite.

Login or register to post comments by LostWages
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:05
#640249

Watch this.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9atIjykihkc

 

Login or register to post comments by zaknick
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:27
#640283

So what? We got nukes.

Login or register to post comments by Bolweevil
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:26
#640279

How many Muslims did you say are on Earth again?

Login or register to post comments by Bringin It
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 01:39
#640390

tmosley – Thanks for your reply to the rascist ranter – melachiro.  What really ails melachiro and his fellow tools about the Muslim world is that they – the Muslims, don’t do usury.  This issue restricts the opportunities for exploitation.  Hey did you see that now Iraq and Afghanistan have Central Banks.

 

Login or register to post comments by Cathartes Aura
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 02:05
#640409

 

Hey did you see that now Iraq and Afghanistan have Central Banks.

 

spreadin’ the free-dumb like a cancer, yeah. . . they’ve also got poisoned land and air, and women are told not to give birth, the results are so horrific.

Login or register to post comments by A Nanny Moose
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:55
#640144

Hearts and minds are not changed at the tip of the sword. They are changed by better ideas.

When they are not changed, we have the second amendment, provisions of the common DEFENSE, and laws to prosecute illegal initiation of force.

When government attempts to be proacttive, liberty suffers. The old liberty v. security argument.

Login or register to post comments by zaknick
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:24
#640273

Stupid fuck. All people are the same everywhere: DON’T TREAD ON ME. What the banksters are after over there is not democracy you fool, it’s OIL. You been drinking that kool-aid.

 

Besides, these fascist scum killed Nikola Tesla and have all his research (free, unlimited energy).

Login or register to post comments by TonyV
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:33
#640285

Lets see – The Crusades, The Inquisition, the slavery, the genocide of the natives, two world wars, the holocaust (including the nuclear one).

Yea, sure. The muslims are the problem.

Login or register to post comments by SpaceHerpes
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:26
#640074

Sounds great! 

But the reality is that the populace is to well fed, has two many HD channel options, can still have a drink or toke and get laid occasionally. Until that changes status quo it is.

Bored on a Sunday in Sunny SD

Login or register to post comments by Segestan
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:27
#640076

There are 300+ milion people in the USA .. all with an opinion.. the author is but …one!

 

Next!!

Login or register to post comments by Bringin It
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 01:42
#640393

Instead of making non-specific critiques of this excellent frame work for reform, why don’t you throw out your own list.  I’m sure we’d all love to see what’s in your head.

Login or register to post comments by HarryWanger
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:27
#640077

Why aren’t all you people watching football tonight? Be a real American and turn on your tv with some Bud Light and Doritos. Don’t concern yourselves with this silly proposal. Did I miss Dancing with the Stars tonight? Damn. I sure hope I DVR’d it. If not, I’ll just order it for 99 cents on my iPhone tomorrow.

Login or register to post comments by Implicit simplicit
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:39
#640111

Games on, mutes on, zeron

Login or register to post comments by bob_dabolina
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:27
#640080

Oh…I loved this post.

My money and guns back this platform.

Login or register to post comments by silvertrain
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:28
#640081

 What about Nasa?

Login or register to post comments by theworldisnotenough
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:28
#640082

Every child in America would receive vouchers for grade school, high school and college. They could choose any school to attend – public or private.

 

With the elimination of the Department of Education this would have top be accomplished state by state. A state constitutional convention in which that state’s constitution is altered to obligate it to issue a voucher to any parent requesting one would do wonders to solve the eduational problem. Although not a panacea, (see Washington DC) it would basically cripple teachers unions. Their interest would have to line up with the interests of the parents.

Also removing the right of the public sector to unioninze in the state constituion would improve government at all levels.

Login or register to post comments by Cyan Lite
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:28
#640083

What about Health care?

And this isn’t the typical “Tea Party” platform.  This is actually more or less a moderate libertarian stance.  Tea Parties basically want to arrest any brown-skin person if they can’t prove their citizenship and have the police arrest all black people on sight.

Login or register to post comments by melachiro
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:32
#640091

I would call you stupid but, would rather assume that you are just ignorant.  You can’t possibly beleive the drivel you just spewed?

Login or register to post comments by jeff montanye
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:38
#640104

i before e except after c.

Login or register to post comments by melachiro
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:42
#640116

Damn lack of spell check;)

Login or register to post comments by Rodent Freikorps
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:44
#640118

Weird…

Login or register to post comments by Implicit simplicit
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:58
#640148

Just had too much caffeine, couldn’t get down the protein, so took some codeine and went to bed.

Login or register to post comments by bob_dabolina
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:42
#640113

Cyan Lite is a Democrat up for re-election. Ignore.

Login or register to post comments by Rodent Freikorps
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:45
#640120

I thought it was just a troll.

Login or register to post comments by Cyan Lite
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:54
#640142

Isn’t that the Arizona immigration plan?  What if I’m a (legal) hispanic citizen, and I don’t have my ID on me?  Do I get deported immediately?  Whereas a “white” person would be given a ticket, a brown-skin guy gets detained.

And about the police thing, tea party folks are some of the ones who perpetuate the idea that police are here to “serve and protect”.  In my opinion, they are doing nothing but quashing the constitutional rights of individuals. (see Katrina gun-confiscation aftermath in 2005)

Login or register to post comments by zaknick
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:20
#640267

You know what? Get even with anybody who fucks around with you. That’s my motto. Then we’ll see if they keep doing it. It really isn’t that hard to kill somebody and get away with it. CSI is NOT real life.

Login or register to post comments by Rodent Freikorps
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:24
#640274

You go, Cyan.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good bigoted narrative.

Consistency is not a virtue if you are a fuck-up.

Carry on.

Login or register to post comments by theworldisnotenough
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:47
#640127

I have been to several Tea Party rally and have yet to be arrested.

Somebosy really should have told this guy about the Tea party before he attended.

Move along race baiter.

Login or register to post comments by Ms. Erable
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:51
#640134

Junked for being an ignorant dipshit.

Login or register to post comments by Bringin It
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 01:45
#640396

The Tea Party has morphed into an MSM-Fraken-Party.  This list is an attempt to bring it back onto the path of real as opposed to sham reform.

Login or register to post comments by What a mess_man
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:31
#640087

Yeah this is something I could get behind – just throw in LOTS of handcuffs and perp walks please.

Login or register to post comments by Bringin It
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 01:46
#640398

Perp Walks!!!

I like that better than the standard – Gold [Female Dog]

Login or register to post comments by Rusty Shorts
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:53
#640094

Education Camps should NOT be mandatory, education is the duty of the parents and the community, not the F govbernent

 

How dare the “state” take our children from our homes, at a tender age, and throw them in a cage with the dregs of society.

Login or register to post comments by zaknick
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:14
#640261

“dregs of society.”

 

You mean your fellow countrymen?

 

Egalitarian values should be at the core of any reform. Racism is for pigs and pigs need sticking.

Login or register to post comments by Rusty Shorts
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 00:18
#640326

 –

Login or register to post comments by Hulk
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 00:45
#640348

+1352 Rusty.

Login or register to post comments by Bringin It
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 01:49
#640400

Really, what is with state [mis]education of young minds.  Ask some kid to explain how our monetary system works as it was taught to him/her in school.

Login or register to post comments by liberal sodomy
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:36
#640096

I like it except for the school voucher crap.  Don’t flush the excrement from the sewers into fresh well water.

Login or register to post comments by Bringin It
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 01:52
#640401

ls- I don’t get your point.  Vouchers are a way to introduce the benefits of market competition into the education system.  Good teachers would be valued as they should be.

Login or register to post comments by nmewn
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:36
#640097

A damned good start.

With this;

“The 16th Amendment would be repealed and the income tax would be scraped. It would be replaced with a national consumption tax. The more you consume the more taxes you pay. Saving and investment would be untaxed.”

I assume you don’t mean a VAT tax…if it is not I’m all in.

Login or register to post comments by Species8472
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:36
#640098

The Dept of Homeland Security would be reduced dramatically.

 

While you’re at it, change it’s name to what it was, Dept. of Civil Defense. Homeland security is too 1984ish.

 

 

Login or register to post comments by zaknick
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:12
#640259

It’s meant to be that way. Terminology is chosen carefully by the fascist scum in order to affect psychology subconsciously. Movies, songs, anything you see in the MSM has subtle undertones meant to manipulate.

Login or register to post comments by ToNYC
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 00:20
#640325

 

that’s BushDoctrine speak..Granpa Prescott channeled Homeland after Der Fatherland to keep it pure. The war against terrorism suits the principle of removing citizens of different values. If you don’t understand what your neighbor is doing, be suspicious and call Homeland Security…they’ll know what to do and YOU can chill. What might have happened, did not, and where would we be if we had no one to relieve our faux fear?

Login or register to post comments by theXman
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:37
#640100

Can’t say I agree with everything in your proposal, but it is far better than our current system. So you’ve got my vote.

Login or register to post comments by Harbourcity
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:38
#640103

National Defense/Foreign Policy

Elimination of foreign aid to other countries would be implemented immediately. Withdrawal of US forces from the Middle East and other countries would take place over 3 years. Amazingly, after we leave the Middle East, terrorism will miraculously decline. Conduct free trade with all countries. Make treaties with no countries. Do not bully or threaten any country. The US military would be used to efend our country. Any commitment of forces to battle would require a full vote by Congress as the Constitution states. The torture of anyone would be outlawed.

/applause

This alone would get my vote.

Login or register to post comments by Bringin It
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 01:53
#640402

Agreed.  This alone would get my vote.

Login or register to post comments by MarkTwainsMustache
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:39
#640109

is that the pitter patter of the upcoming libertarian revolution?

Login or register to post comments by jeff montanye
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:41
#640115

your beginning is off-putting.  leave out the annual income.  make it about values.  the free shit army makes various incomes from little to very great.  the middle class in the sense you mean it (honest strivers) ditto.

Login or register to post comments by espirit
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:54
#640121

Do away with one beni – might as well do away with them all including SS and pensions.

How about addressing disabled american veterans? Cutting them off also is what you propose?

Thats as far as I read this crap. FU, POS.

…as said before – so not ZH material!

Login or register to post comments by Apostate
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:46
#640123

Some things are right in this, other things are wrong, but eh, it’s better than what we have now.

Login or register to post comments by JohnG
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:47
#640126

Modest?

Idealistlic perhaps even radical. 

But modest?

Login or register to post comments by tmosley
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:51
#640135

I guess you never read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_modest_proposal

Login or register to post comments by JohnG
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:58
#640149

I do get it.

I have not read the essay, but I will.  I did read your link.

Busy with “The Jungle” at the moment.

Gruesome, both.

Login or register to post comments by billbengen
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 21:48
#640130

Brilliant, just what the doctor ordered. In other words, refresh America’s screen. Let’s do it!  Bill

Login or register to post comments by Ms. Erable
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:01
#640150

Good ideas (energy section needs work – wind and nuclear don’t currently provide ROI without gubbermint subsidies). Missed the boat on financial reforms:

Return markets to fractional bids.Limit trades to once per second.Re-instate Glass-Steagall.Re-introduce usury laws/limits.No fractional reserve banking.Accountable regulatory agenciesFully convertible currency, not ‘backed by’.

Got my vote if you add these items.

 

 

Login or register to post comments by williambanzai7
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:01
#640152

In order to implement this commendable agenda, you will first have to buy an Island.

Login or register to post comments by snowball777
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:01
#640238

Or take one by force. Might I recommend one defended only by an easy-going senior and a midget?

Boss, de plane, de plane!

Login or register to post comments by Rodent Freikorps
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:52
#640303

I hear New Zealand is pretty lightly defended.

Login or register to post comments by Praetor
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 03:59
#640447

Nah the Aussies already have dibbs on New Zealand.

Login or register to post comments by ToNYC
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 00:31
#640337

 

We have what the Native Americans called “Turtle Island” and if you haven’t noticed we are sandwiched between two great Oceans and can never be invaded by any country except the one that Nixon and Reagan sold us out to: China. Columbus was Isabella’s bitch and if you found land and delivered treasure, you got to command another ship. Conquest is a social disease that poisons the spirit.

 

Login or register to post comments by Rodent Freikorps
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 02:22
#640420

You only own what you can defend.

Login or register to post comments by LostWages
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:02
#640154

I think this is a great start and with some minor tweaks could be a winner.

You had my vote on the term limits, ending the FED, and the Pickens plan.

Login or register to post comments by papaswamp
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:02
#640155

Great ideas, but terrorism based on religion will never vanish. Thinking so shows clear lack of understanding of certain religious edicts. 

Login or register to post comments by Bringin It
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 02:01
#640407

papaswamp – I don’t think he’s saying – terrorism based on religion will … vanish.  I think in talking about the Middle East, he’s saying our presence and shit-stirring in the region provokes a response that will diminish if we stop the shit-stirring.  Now that makes sense doesn’t it? 

if you’re talking about the other religious based terrorism we’ve been experiencing, the plot hatched by PNAC, that culminated in 9/11 false-flag attack and the invasion of Iraq, then I don’t know, you might be on to something. 

Login or register to post comments by lynnybee
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:04
#640159

The middle class = older baby boomers, who have worked hard most of their lives to acquire that “lifestyle”.    When we were younger we were brainwashed :   ALWAYS BUY THE NICEST HOME YOU CAN AFFORD & BUY THE CHEAPEST CAR .     Well, we did all that & look where it got us.    Now that the middle class is older, we’re too old & tired to FIGHT BACK.   What am I supposed to do, get out my wrap around sunglasses, my walker & my stainless steel water bottle & go fight the government !!   THAT’S THEIR PLAN !! WAIT TIL THIS GENERATION IS ALL TAPPED OUT & PULL OUT THE RUG FROM UNDER THEM ….. Old people don’t do well in revolutionary times.       ….. damn fuckers, I used to be a really nice Mom & Grandma ………. now I’m just plain mad

Login or register to post comments by Conrad Murray
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:26
#640281

Some related comedy for you:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s07e10-grey-dawn

Login or register to post comments by the rookie cynic
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:05
#640162

I live in a solidly upper-middle-class neighborhood – lots of smart, professional, family-oriented people. Bring up TARP, QE2, the Fed, POMOs, HFT, monetization, fiat money etc. and their eyes glaze over. The don’t get it. The think it’s either a “wrong party” thing or “China’s fault” or “gridlock.” There mad about the bailouts of course, but really don’t get the scale, potency, or longevity of the (to use this author’s terminology) armies arrayed against them.

The middle class is getting screwed by U.S. bankers, politicians, and multi-national corporations. Blankfein and Dimon don’t give a rat’s ass about America.  Nor do Frank and Dodd. Main street is being outsourced and replaced by Wal-mart.

It’s like a date rape, the middle class won’t know what happened until it’s over. As much as I sympathize with the author of this post, the middle class isn’t up to the challenge of beating these bastards: politically, spiritually, culturally or intellectually. They’ve ingested to much advertising, sloganeering, and misinformation. How can we expect them to act if they don’t proffer even a rudimentary awareness or understanding of their predicament?

Login or register to post comments by Tecumseh
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:39
#640206

Down wit it . Wake me up when Americans take some ownership for this mutha . Until then, it won’t matter. No repentance without confession . Right now, Americans don’t even feel guilty. We are still at the ” Hey, who sh*t my pants ?!?!? ” level of denial.

Login or register to post comments by Bringin It
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 02:03
#640411

Tecumseh – Now that’s funny.  The Hey, who sh*t my pants ?!?!? ” level of denial.

LOL

Login or register to post comments by michigan independant
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:12
#640163

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig11/hunter-j3.1.1.html

Think First. Also, 80 percent are clueless and do not care.

Login or register to post comments by pussfeller
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:07
#640164

This is just more socialism. Vouchers for education and health? Bleh. They will just game the system, but in a different way.

 

Temporally, the only solution is real free markets and liberty, and little to no government help for anyone.

 

In a sane America, Defense would be 90% of the Federal Govt’s budget.

Login or register to post comments by zaknick
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:07
#640254

As long as its a radically scaled down budget. 500 billion is way too much. We have nukes; who the hell is gonna invade????

Login or register to post comments by Bananamerican
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 01:44
#640395

alta california is secure mi jeneral!

Si se PUEDE! Si se PUEDE!Si se PUEDE!Si se PUEDE!Si se PUEDE!Si se PUEDE!

Login or register to post comments by contrabandista13
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:11
#640168

I didn’t hear anything about free crack, is he going to hog it all for himself…

 

Just another political ploy…

Login or register to post comments by Crab Cake
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:13
#640170

I remember when I thought there were solutions, but there aren’t any. Ok, there are, but they will not be implemented because the crooks are in control.

I’m all for rational debate and solutions, but may I reccomend a few steps to take first…

1. Mortgage/Rent strike
2. Tax strike – sales and otherwise
3. Work strike

If even a significant minority of middle class citizens got on board with the above steps, for even just 30 days, and were vocal about why they were doing it, it would move political mountains. We have the power. Collectively we give it, and we can take it away. Once this fact is reasserted, then we can talk solutions.

Really though, since this isn’t going to happen either… We’re going to have to wait for collapse for solutions to matter. The good news is it might be closer than most think… But waiting has its own perils too because historically a dying power will fling itself into total war with the ‘other’ when collapse is imminent. Total war in todays framework means nuclear exchange…

Ah, now I remember why I stopped posting; we’re fucked. Enjoy these days.

Login or register to post comments by Shameful
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:07
#640252

These will be seen as the good old days.  Can’t save the system, but individuals can be saved.  On the plus side I don’t think it will go nuclear, creates a random chance for oligarchs to get caught up in it.  It might but I will only worry about that when the big boys disappear from the scene, into their Fallout style vaults.  Word is Cheney wanted a war with Russia a few years back over the South Ossetia incident and they pulled back on his leash.

Login or register to post comments by Bringin It
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 02:07
#640413

CrabCake – You are right, by why not look to the aftermath?  That’s basicly all that’s in play at this point.

Login or register to post comments by Missing_Link
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:17
#640177

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you wrote except:

Wire tapping, monitoring, and spying on US citizens would be outlawed.

This bit is amazingly naive.  Terrorist organizations really do exist, they really are trying to kill us, some of them really are US citizens, and spying really is the only way to stop them.

Login or register to post comments by Ms. Erable
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:24
#640187

Force the Feds to obtain a warrant through the courts. No more of the ‘we think you might be one, so it’s OK’ malarky.

Login or register to post comments by zaknick
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:06
#640250

The “courts” are in on it (see comment above). They are the gatekeepers of the modern day Inquisition called the “war on drugs”.

Login or register to post comments by Bringin It
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 02:08
#640414

The courts are just as thoroughly corrupt as all the other branches of the banks.

Login or register to post comments by DaveyJones
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:35
#640202

citizens should be wiretapping their governments. Imagine what those secret meetings would reveal. Imagine the number of lives saved. Numbers a terrorist could only dream  

Login or register to post comments by bronzie
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:19
#640179

Political System

NO American troops could be committed to firing their weapons without a full vote of Congress as required by the US Constitution.

> have to eliminate the contract military force as well

> have to eliminate the funding of insurrectionist forces in other countries

Economic Policy

The currency of the US would be backed by hard assets. A basket of gold, silver, oil, uranium, and some other limited hard commodities would back the USD. If politicians attempted to spend too much, this basket would reveal their plans immediately.

> nope – the circulating currency has to be convertible to tangible goods – it is the choice to convert that puts power in the people’s hands and places a control on the govt / bankers – as long as the govt / bankers are playing nice the people will leave their wealth in the circulating currency – when the govt / bankers start getting out of hand the people will convert the currency into the tangible good thereby placing a damper on govt / bankers

> no farm subsidies for anything – no more paying farmers not to grow crops – no more paying farmers not to produce milk – etc

> have to charge market rates for water to all users, agricultural and commercial – cheap water makes processes like meat production possible at unrealistically low cost – this is unsustainable in the long run

Energy Policy

The Pickens Plan to convert our truck fleets to natural gas should be given priority. The government can actually do something to help the market. An upgrade and expansion of the electrical grid could connect to windmill farms built across the plains

> now this ‘article’ sounds like a marketing pitch for T Boone Pickens – f*ck him and his Pollyanna wind farms – I thought we were talking about solving problems here

Immigration

> English is the only official language spoken / written in this country – no taxpayer provided interpreters will exist in the education system – taxpayer supplied forms / instructions / ballots will only be provided in English

Social Issues

Only modest restrictions on gun ownership would be allowed (criminal checks). An armed citizenry is the best defense against tyranny.

> concealed carry permits will be granted to any non-felon desiring one

Login or register to post comments by ToNYC
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 00:41
#640343

 

Monetary Policy: The Congress can take back the private FRS monoply on credit creation with an algorithm programmed to match Domestic GNP with actual currency plus a 2% growth factor. The serial bubbletrick of the FED has proved beyond any doubt, they will bail out the Banks with taxpayer funds..a complete and utter abomination.

Login or register to post comments by Occams Parsimony
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:28
#640191

Easy guys, I believe what he was looking for was modifications of each individual point not a bunch of Yes men. As far as I am concerned there are some good comments there and some bad ones. The purpose is to think about it and come back.

Login or register to post comments by ManitouMike
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:30
#640194

While I agree with enough of your proposals that I would certainly vote for your version of the Tea Party Platform, I would be highly concerned with a few points.

1. You solution to raise the SS age really assumes that old people will be able to get work at something better than wal-mart. Bodies and brains still break down at about the same time, even if we do live longer. Raising the SS age limit too much simply means there will be a period of time, a donut hole if you will, where it will be difficult for people to support themselves.

 

2. You somehow think that a fence is going to keep illegals out? Our border is simply too large for that to be a practical solution. The money spent on a fence would be better spent removing the incentives for illegals to enter the country.

 

3. You should look REAL hard before you reduce/eliminate the food stamp program. For many millions of americans, the food subsidies free up cash flow for things like rent ant car payments. Without the subsidy, these people would likely become homeless. In short, the benefit to society is much greather than the measly amount spent on the program.

Login or register to post comments by Eureka Springs
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:32
#640199

I like much of this so don’t take my random nit-picks as anything near total rejection. I do appreciate this endeavor and think it should be the kind of conversation this country should have, perhaps at all times.

On healthcare, it seems to me there are much better and much more affordable ideas already in place among the thirty five other countries who do much better than us on nearly every measurable metric, from infant mortality to life expectancy… including much lower costs while caring for all ta boot. Private insurers as we know them in the US must die (nobody needs to be sold on health, nor do they need a giant needless billing ponzi department to create paperwork and say no to care. And Pharma must be negotiated down and kept down with a giant collective stick. I do believe a form of socialized medicine is the best way to go. 

I think term limits would be both unnecessary and self defeating (experience is often a good thing) if the money were removed from campaign finance and lobbying as you suggest etc. 

On social security i would certainly raise your standard… there is no good reason to return (intentionally) to a society where millions die without heat in winter on a last supper of cat food – which is why we instituted SS to begin with. And as someone who is young enough to only have paid into SS for a little over thirty years… i say don’t let them bait and switch on me now! There is life after you baby boomers. 70 is entirely to old for many a professions… there needs to be some wiggle room in there somewhere.

On trade, i do think we should be able to raise taxes as needed in order to make sure our people work for decent wages and that we produce enough goods to save energy and get by in times of trouble – food, medicines, energy, tech… as well as for the purpose of inspecting goods for safety purposes etc. Otherwise the Chinese will just poison us all. /s

On immigration.. serious consistent prosecution of illegal employers would reduce the need for a fence dramatically… probably rendering the expense and maintenance of a fence moot. Besides, with a real standing army for defense purposes… cat and mouse training could take place permanently along borders and on coasts.

I would add a few things off the top of my head, such as:

Wipe out all government secrecy. Or place severe time restraints on what little we tolerate if at all.

All government records should be posted on the internet as they take place. Available for all public scrutiny.

End the war on drugs.

Return of a fairness doctrine.

Look into the racket going on at the patent office and fix it… lots of good inventions being locked out of the possibility of improving things/creating jobs too, for no good reason.

Reduce the number of our brethren in prison immediately. The costs are outrageous and we have more incarcerated as a percentage of population than anyone else in the world. Under no circumstance should a prison be a for profit enterprise… no more than a health care entity, or a war/defense entity. Note: if defense industry sells approved weaponry to others.. hey, price it at whatever you can! But not in defense of our own.

Login or register to post comments by zaknick
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:03
#640237

“Wipe out all government secrecy. Or place severe time restraints on what little we tolerate if at all.”

 

Awesome!

 

The “war on drugs” is ethnic cleansing:

Normal 0 false false false EN-US X-NONE X-NONE Population Task Force

Among Bush’s most important contributions to the neo-Malthusian cause while
in Congress was his role in the Republican Task Force on Earth Resources
and Population. The task force, which Bush helped found and then chaired,
churned out a steady stream of propaganda claiming that the world was
already seriously overpopulated; that there was a fixed limit to natural
resources and that this limit was rapidly being reached; and that the
environment and natural species were being sacrificed to human progress.
Bush’s task force sought to accredit the idea that the human race was being
“down bred,” or reduced in genetic qualities by the population growth among
blacks and other non-white and hence allegedly inferior races at a time
when the Anglo-Saxons were hardly able to prevent their numbers from
shrinking.
Comprised of over 20 Republican Congressmen, Bush’s Task Force was a kind
of Malthusian vanguard organization which heard testimony from assorted
“race scientists,” sponsored legislation and otherwise propagandized the
zero-growth outlook. In its 50-odd hearings during these years, the task
force provided a public forum to nearly every well-known zero-growth
fanatic, from Paul Ehrlich, founder of Zero Population Growth (ZPG), to
race scientist William Shockley, to the key zero-growth advocates infesting
the federal bureaucracy.
Giving a prestigious congressional platform to a discredited racist
charlatan like William Shockley in the year after the assassination of Dr.
Martin Luther King, points up the arrogance of Bush’s commitment to
eugenics. Shockley, like his co-thinker Arthur Jensen, had caused a furor
during the 1960s by advancing his thesis, already repeatedly disproven,
that blacks were genetically inferior to whites in cognitive faculties and
intelligence. In the same year in which Bush invited him to appear before
the GOP task force, Shockley had written: “Our nobly intended welfare
programs may be encouraging dysgenics — retrogressive evolution through
disproportionate reproduction of the genetically disadvantaged…. We fear
that ‘fatuous beliefs’ in the power of welfare money, unaided by eugenic
foresight, may contribute to a decline of human quality for all segments of
society.”

During hearings on the Social Security amendments, Bush and witness
Alan Guttmacher had the following colloquy: Bush: Is there any
[opposition to Planned Parenthood] from any other organizations or
groups, civil rights groups?
Guttmacher: We do have problems. We are in a sensitive area in
regard particularly to the Negro. There are some elements in the
Negro group that feel we are trying to keep down the numbers. We are
very sensitive to this. We have a community relations department
headed by a most capable Negro social worker to try to handle that
part of the problem. This does, of course, cause us a good bit of
concern.
Bush: I appreciate that. For the record, I would like to say I am
1,000 percent in accord with the goals of your organization. I
think perhaps more than any other type of organization you can do
more in the field of poverty and mental health and everything else
than any other group that I can think of. I commend you.

Which is why domestically these are the results of his, and the
other wealthy, fascist interests at the CIA’s, “drug war”:

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php?name=Web_Links&l_op=visit&lid=152

Login or register to post comments by Stuck on Zero
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:37
#640205

How many of you would scream and holler if a General seized the reins of government in a coup to implement all the above with promises of a restoration to full Democracy in a year?  The coup would commence with the arrest of 30,000 lobbyists, 535 members of the house and Senate, all the White House heads, all foreign agents, and 10,000 Wall Street illuminati.  They could be tried by juries once all the charges were sorted out. And, remember that a free press is necessary for a Democracy.  All the news organizations would have to be broken up.  Any objections?

Login or register to post comments by zaknick
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:50
#640222

As long as the death penalty was the norm for all the treasonous scum, nope.

 

Login or register to post comments by blunderdog
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:35
#640287

When a “General” seizes the reins of government, screaming and hollering is an express ticket to a mass grave.

Brilliant point to raise, though, if everyone caught it.

Where’s my junkas at?!?  Hatcha!

Login or register to post comments by Bringin It
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 02:12
#640415

It could happen.  A major problem with this type of solution when tried in other parts of the world is that it becomes the prefered form or reform and the generals wind up staying put.

Login or register to post comments by contrabandista13
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:39
#640209

Off Topic:

 

If you missed this you should see it…  Funny and at the same time Sad…

Mortgage Broker Association strategic default

 

http://www.angrybearblog.com/2010/10/mortgage-broker-association-strateg…

Login or register to post comments by Rodent Freikorps
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:45
#640217

We need to stop all immigration except by hot chicks. Let them in.

Login or register to post comments by snowball777
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:58
#640236

Stop cursing the darkness and light a match, get your Ruski bride-to-be a green card today!

Login or register to post comments by Mark Noonan
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:51
#640223

Overall a good plan, but some issues:

“Saving and investment would be untaxed.”

What would constitute “investment”?  Soros invests, but I think it worthwhile to tax away every cent he’s got as I can’t think of any worthy object for the “investing” he’s done.  Investment in genuinely productive enterprise is what should be encouraged by the tax code – so, a bit of clarification here would be in order.

“A balanced budget amendment would be instituted. It would phase in over 5 years.”  Why five years?  Have we got that long before default?  We could balance the budget next year by spending no more than we did in 2004.

“Elimination of foreign aid to other countries would be implemented immediately.”  What about emergency, humanitarian aid?  You’ll need to define what, exactly, constitutes “foreign aid”.

“Withdrawal of US forces from the Middle East and other countries would take place over 3 years. Amazingly, after we leave the Middle East, terrorism will miraculously decline.”  That is, unfortunately, not true – terrorism is not caused by US policy; it is caused by the application of insane violence by people who want things they haven’t earned.  A withdrawal of US forces would only allow for more applications of insane violence as the violently insane would draw the conclusion that insane violence works like a charm.  Better to just quit quibbling around with these people and kill them – meaning, kill all the leaders of the terrorist groups and States.  They want to live in wealth and power – killing them would keep people from getting in to the insane violence business.

“Conduct free trade with all countries.”  Why allow tyrants to profit off the US market?  Why help build up the people who will, once powerful enough, attack us?  Free trade shoudl only be with other free nations – trade embargoes with all tyrannical regimes.  Think “freedom trade” rather than “free trade”.

“The torture of anyone would be outlawed.”  Define torture and then explain what to do with the guy who knows where the next violent act will happen, but refuses to listen to sweet reason.

“Legal immigrants built this country.”  No, they did not.  Never since 1776 has there been more foreign born than native in our nation.  Americans built America, with some help from immigrants, to be sure, but it was mostly an American-born operation.  I’m in favor of broad immigration, but let’s not fall for false talking points.

“Let people do anything they want.”  Define “anything”. I’m certain that once you’re done, you’ll find some things you would prefer not to have happen.  Once you’ve done that, you’ll find yourself “legislating morality”.  Don’t be alarmed!  All legislation is a legislation of morality – the only thing to be decided is what morality to legislate.

“Wire tapping, monitoring, and spying on US citizens would be outlawed.”  Define “spying”.  We do need, at times, to find out what some people are saying via electronic media.  Most “privacy” concerns really revolve around the desire of pornographers to sell their wares unhindered, and their customers to have no one find out how many times a day they hit “big-uns.com”.  We’re a social species – made that way by God or, if you prefer, evolved that way.  We’re supposed to conduct our busienss in public so that we’ll know if our business broadly meets or violates public acceptance.  Building walls around ourselves just allows us to become ever more cretinous in our behaviour.  If you can’t do it in front of a 5 year old or your mother, you shouldn’t be doing it.

Anways, other than that, some pretty good ideas.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Login or register to post comments by Paul Bogdanich
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:54
#640227

What a naive boy you are.  What you propose are democratic reforms.  LOL.  The owners are the slave holders of old.  Do you think for a nanosecond that they will do anything other than oppose democratic reforms with all the weapons they have?  “All the weapons they have.”  Which includes the police power of the state.  Make their selected enemies disappear.  Suffer pulmonary embolysims with no apparent cause.  Die other mysterious deaths.  This is going to get very ugly in my estimation.

Login or register to post comments by snowball777
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:54
#640228

Many good ideas cobbled from elsewhere (and some truly horrific ones), but the combination of them is in many ways self-contradicting and would lead to a country which can no longer defend itself for lack of the economic power to field a modern military and fading national pride due to millions of dying seniors and sick people in the streets. No sale.

You might consider what subsets of that list you can reasonably implement though.

As a progressive, all of the electoral reform suggestions were stuff we’ve been saying forever, but couldn’t get a Republicrat to listen beyond tokens like Feingold and Sanders.

While the structural debt problems in the US definitely need to be addressed, your wholesale privatization of decades worth of social safety net is absurd. There are better ways and we already know what they are, but some of us still hyperventilate at the idea of actually paying for the privilege of living in a decent society.

Who will watch the nukes for you when you ‘shut down’ the D of E?

And those ‘localities’ that can’t afford a public school without subsidy (and where the private market would NEVER deign to build one)? I’m thinking of all those Deep Red Pug districts in CA which still have public schools even though they contribute less to state revenue than the schools cost and are paid for by the tax revenue from Marin and SF. Personally, I’m fine with the little hillbillies growin’ up dumb like Jesus wants.

“with proper procedures in place”…whitewash comes easy to Alaskans, does it? Pure fantasy.

“only to defend our country”…needs more definition. If Bolivars take Honduras, do we act?

Nuclear power plants require government backstopping because they can’t buy private insurance for that kind of operation anymore…your consumption tax (whooping tax is more like it) wouldn’t provide enough revenue for you to engage in this activity while sticking to the balanced budget constraint.

I think you have a sincere desire to help your country, but are WAY over your head when it comes to analyzing the implications of the various policy decisions you’ve espoused above.

C-

Login or register to post comments by Bartanist
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 22:57
#640234

Well, by the new definitions, you would probably be considered a terrorist. Because everyone who does not simply shut up, do what the ruling class wants and let the ruling class turn us all into slaves is considered a terrorist.

The principles you talk about are not that far afield from how it once was in the US. The problem you see however is that there is no US anymore with “globalization” and all. There must now be a secret and soon to be not so secret one world government run from the shadows by a collection of bankers and “so called’ elite.

Login or register to post comments by Madhouse
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:15
#640263

Turgidson:

Doctor, you mentioned the ration of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn’t that necessitate the abandonment of the so called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned?

Strangelove:

Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious… service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.

Login or register to post comments by Madhouse
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:17
#640264

6 years for the Prez too, stop the circus..

Login or register to post comments by Dineroguru
on Sun, 10/10/2010 – 23:15
#640265

I live in Illinois- one of the biggest political cess pools in the country. A local church had a meeting on cleaning up Illinois politics. Out of a church body numbering over 1,000 only 25 people showed up!  Illinois is like Greece and we get a turnout like the response to junk mail! What does that tell you about the future?

Login or register to post comments by saulysw
on Mon, 10/11/2010 – 02:22
#640418

See Crab Cakes post above.

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